Coming back to basics again, we had our previous posts on how to find knowledge through intuition, rationalism, and observation.
Nice follow-up thoughts from Filipino Free Thinkers on rationalization and skepticism:
In rationalization, the belief which was “originally arrived at through a different mental process” comes first and then rational arguments are later formed to support this belief. But as for rationality, the data comes first and analysis comes second before reaching a conclusion – if it even comes to that. And here I am reminded of a brief introduction to skepticism.
Freethought is more related to skepticism than atheism or agnosticism. Along with skepticism, freethought is a method, a way of thinking and forming beliefs; atheism and agnosticism, on the other hand, are more like the “positions” at which the freethinker or skeptic arrives.
But to people whose present beliefs are still those formed long before they were capable of rational thought, it is amazing to see how they try to rationalize now in the absence of solid evidence. They start off with a position based on religious doctrine and try to use rational arguments to back up such position. This is very hard to do considering they are performing the scientific method backwards, and I cannot help but admire the ingenuity of those who were able to keep their claims from being falsified outright. Of course, they could not prove their claims, but for one who has no real evidence, a technical stalemate is already a great achievement.
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EVOLUTION HAS NO EVIDENCE OR EVEN A RATIONALITY
I would have thought it is the evolutionists made up their
theory then looked for evidence. No evidence has ever been found that the DNA of one creature like say a cow can
by genetic damage change into the DNA of a whale.
Darwinists have found no evidence at all. So it is a faith
based religion without even a rational process.
So Darwinists decided there was no God and have been
looking for 150 years for evidence to back this up – finding
nothing – no intermediate missing links have been found.
Even Darwin said if thousands of transitionals are not discovered after my death then my theory is dead.
This is a mirror image of what you said about Biblical truths.
There is more evidence for God’s creation now than there
has ever been – try Dr McMurtry’s website.
By mirror image – did you also mean that biblical truths also have no evidence and rationality?
Mark – I meant ( mirror image) that your view of Bible believers was exactly what you and others are doing with evolution – believing something with no evidence whatsoever that it happened or still happens .
Even Darwin would now no longer believe in evolution since his thousands of transitional species have not been found.
Yes I believe Biblical truths do have evidence and rationality.
Eg ALL coal now carbon 14 dates to 40,000 years as does
oil and gas . There should be no C14 in anything more than
100,000 years old . So here is concrete evidence that
billions of years of evolution has never happened.
Fossils which should show no C14 ARE showing it . So this
is evidence and SOLID evidence that these fossils are only
thousands of years old ie The flood of Noah created the
fossils . Only a flood can make a fossil.
So the evidence is there .
If you want to question a Biblical truth go ahead.
Ok thanks.
By the way, I’m not necessarily elevating evolution to the level of dogmatic truth–to me it’s simply another theory to be proven or disproven.
Would you adopt a similar skeptical mindset of religious dogma?
Another note is: disproving evolution doesn’t necessarily confirm biblical truths either–and maybe its not apples-apples.
How about the Zeitgeist “theory”? Have you questioned it yet with your intuition, rationalization and observation? It could be just another one of those insane (political) “movements” and conspiracies against the current powers, to decentralize them for the purposes of other idiots to take over.
Clearly, with death penalties and imprisonments still around this world regarding apostasy, which, by the way, the United Nations knows about, the Zeitgeist path speaks the truth about what people will do. They will choose for themselves which enslavements, which indoctrinations. Could Zeitgeist be your choice, or just another one of those choices people can make for enslavement and indoctrination?
Just to be clear sands, I am not a Zeitgeist advocate either. I have actually cross verified some of its factual claims and found some of them a bit of a “stretch” if not downright erroneous.
However those factual inconsistencies do not totally detract from Zeitgeist’s general messages.
On another note, there have been similar works pre-dating Zeitgeist. Conspiracy theories and theorists are not a new thing. What’s important is for all of us to begin to discern the illusions imposed on us by others, and learn the tools and the critical mindset needed to pursue truth.
Okay, I’m curious as to the Financial as I’ve had too much mythology in my life. What if these are a bunch of sour lemons just wanting to decentralize the current order?
As for the mythological chapter of the film, I find that it has not the treatment Joseph Campbell gives that it doesn’t seem to see why, how the people believed in these lies in the first place. To completely take the myth from the man could just be one wasteland situation to another. You will have to create tremendous support systems to do that.
Rephrase your first question. “Who” are the sour lemons?
Re: the Myth and “support systems”–what the movie argues is that it was the Roman Empire that propagated Christianity for political purposes. The European empires succeeded the Roman, and now the US succeeds the European. At least that’s the “theory”.
We are talking about Zeitgeist, aren’t we? Then whoever put them together for the purpose of Zeitgeist.
Propagating Christianity for political purposes is nothing new. You just have to read Philippine History. Hence, I find this too much of a past thing – doesn’t it run counter to how the story begins? Spain has totally moved on, where church attendance is, by the way, scant.
Hey, I posted something here, it didn’t come out! Where is it?
If the angle of the myth and how that pours through the rest of the film is – how history repeats itself and in what form it repeats this time, perhaps it’s just a tug-o’-war of powers where Zeitgeist is involved.
As a mythologian, Campbell proposed that the new myth is the NOW. Which is, also, how Zeitgeist begins. NOW, there are less church-state ruling, and more have turned inward in their religions instead of spreading communities. There are new liberties, and if disasters strike, it is more and more the individual choices now. It is very different now.
^Is it written in the bible that we can only have sex with species or specifically a specie who share the same DNA as us? Isn’t that MORE INCESTUOUS? Same specie, same family? It’s actually more moral to have sex with a whale or a dog or a horse then! 🙂
Stop this mirror-imaging thing. The only time to do that is when you’re in a process, like a Jungian process, the peeling of an onion, which Joseph Campbell has remarked as only serving specific healthy purposes. Otherwise you are as Medusa, by your own individual perception, staring at yourself.
intsik
Yes relations with an animal are an ABOMINATION to the
lord – it was happening in Sodom and Gomorrah.
There is much evidence of the destruction of the five cities.
It was mentioned by ancient Historians such as Josephus.
Charles, citing Josephus isn’t that credible these days given the debate on that historical record.
Even wikipedia is having trouble making an entry on Josephus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AJosephus_on_Jesus
Also you’ll find reconciling the Old and New Testament a slippery slope–since they are based on two different antiquities and traditions, but forced-merged during the Nicean council.
HE WAS THERE HE SHOULD KNOW – YOU WERE NOT THERE.
JOSEPHUS – thats strange he was a well respected historian for 2000 years. He must have said the wrong thing – to you or someone else.
Neither were you. So how do you know?
Mark – yes that’s true you were not there neither was I – but Josephus was .
But his writings are backed up by other historians of the time.
By his own hand Ceasar came to Britain – we all believe this
so why not believe what Josephus said.
These ancient historians such as Seneca and Livy also had access to the ancient libraries.
Mark Both the old and new testament immediately point
to Jesus – Saviour of the world – they are absolutely linked
together – there is no separation. Jesus would know the Old Testament by heart – The LAW AND THE PROPHETS.
We are now in the period of the new Covenant which is
a period of Repentance and Grace that Jesus brought in.
The Old Testament points to Jesus even in Genesis – Jesus
is “The WORD made flesh”.
We have still to keep the commandments- but not some things like the food laws except for eating blood and animals sacrificed to idols see PAUL.
That is why the Jews Muslims and the Christians let the blood run out of the slaughtered animal.
That is why I don’t eat one of my favourate foods – black
pudding which is made from pigs blood.
Wow, you will like the Filipino food called “Dinuguan” or, directly translated, “Bloodied.” It’s pork bits swimming in its own blood with garlic and maybe some other secret spices, depending on the cook. The dish is black. I’m not very fond of this dish. I’m very choosy as to what restaurant / cook.
charles, I personally don’t think I need to be saved. Saved from what??? I also don’t think that if you get crucified for my murder for example, that I’d be absolved of my murder sin. That’s ridiculous. You pay for my murder??? Original sin— I don’t think I have one.
INSIK – EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE SAVED FROM HELL.
What we don’t understand is that we are dealing with
a TOTALLY HOLY GOD who cannot let anything unclean into heaven . So we have all broken the Ten Commandments.
I look back at my life and can’t believe how many times
I must have angered God who is ever patient.
God has given us a way out of this Impossibility – repent
and accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and then he will send you works to do in his name and we have eternal life . WOW !
The thief on the cross next to Jesus was forgiven and entered heaven – incredible.
Google up “23 minutes in Hell” if you think it does not exist
and Dr Rawlings website – it terrified me and I am a Christian.
You must be saved from this – because it is your eternal destination FOREVER and that is what makes me fearful.
Once you accept Jesus you do not PAY for your sins – He paid the price and sweated blood to SAVE you .
Manufactured fear can scare the bravest of men, not to mention make him give up his own mother to a tyrannical organisation that threatens to send him to “Hell”, or better still for the “Vampires of Consciousness”, make him give up his hard earned cash so that these said “Vampires” can experience heaven on earth – because they really know deep down that there isn’t a real heaven to speak about.
I really wish that Jesus would save me from these manipulative, greedy and lying cretins. Luckily for me, I can save myself because I was somehow miraculously blessed with a brain that contains some common sense, so that I would never be so gullible to fall for this “23 minutes in Hell” scam.
I maybe wrong, but I want some evidence before I strip down to my undies and get ready for a nice hot bath with my demonic buddies.
Mark – Jesus says he will save you from Hell if you become
a follower of His. Jesus also tells in the Gospels what Hell is like as does much of the New Testament. There is also
quite a lot on Dr Rawlings website.
If there was no Hell why would we need to be saved ?
The only “Hell” that exists is what man has created on this earth, with his evil exploitive ways against other human beings, animals and against the very planet itself.
And guess who the devil is? Yes, money!
The demonic things I have mentioned, my friend, will be the very things that will end up destroying us.
If we can somehow see the truth of all this, and destroy the “devil” we know by us becoming indifferent to it’s power – then perhaps, we can make this planet something close to a heaven that we ALL can experience.
But I guess, there is no point me trying to make you see reason, because your conditioning is so deeply rooted that you will only keep repeating what you have read in a book that was written by manipulative men.
Ignorance is indeed bliss, but so is a free, independent and rational mind also. I know which one I would choose.
Wow, a dialogue between Jason & Charles would be so nice.
No human has ever created Heaven on Earth since the fall .
Many humans created Hell on earth though such as Hitler,
Stalin, Gengis Khan , Nero , Ivan the terrible and countless more. So if you are waiting on a mere mortal to create Heaven on earth you will be waiting – and waiting.
The Bible is the “WORD” of God – although it was written by the prophets through the inspiration of God. It is not
manipulative but the truth.
Have you ever heard of a maniplative person
” manipulating” his own crucifixion so that we can have eternal life.
You could not get anything LESS manipulative
Lets not forget the evils committed by the “Christian” Knights Templars, the “Christian” Conquistadors and the infamous “Christian” Inquisition where thousands of innocent human beings were either tortured or murdered because of wanting to think for themselves.
Although I’m no Christian nor belong to any other organised religion the following quotes from Jesus “the man” resonates within me:
“And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”
“Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.”
“And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves, and said unto them, ‘It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.”
It’s a pity that those people who call themselves Christians never practice what they preach – however, that doesn’t apply to all Christians.
In my mind, you are all my friends and fellow human beings, and I will neither judge you nor preach to you on how you should live. All I ask is for you guys to treat me respectfully as a human being only.
The bible was edited and edited by some manipulative people, though… And it may not be complete. Too many debates on how the Bible was edited and put together, leaving out certain parts…
Jason the Conquistadors stopped human sacrifice in South
America – Thousands of men women and children were
sacrificed daily – their hearts ripped out when they were still
beating. Well done Cortez – with only 300 men.
The crusades were started to protect pilgrims on their way
to Jerusalem. Although they deteriorated into plunder in many places – this was not their original purpose. Christian pilgrims were being killed mainly by Muslims who had taken over Jerusalem and the Pope took it seriously.
All the records of the inquisition are still there in Rome and in Spain. I have heard that prisoners in ordinary jails blaphemed to get into the more comfortable prisons of the Inquisition but this is anecdotal.
The Pope decision-making role is more and more like the Kings and Queens, Emperors and Empresses who are no longer that influencial on the fates of the communities. We are less and less ruled by “god-chosen” beings who had in mind agriculture / food supplies as a reason to go to war in many nations.
These decisions were made in the past by the Pope during the era of Christendom – when the whole of Western and Eastern Europe mainly believed in Jesus.
That does not mean to say that the political leaders
were not manipulative , greedy , murderous and often after
power rather than Christian purity as well as many of the religious leaders.
The Pope lost England because he would not compromise
with Henry the 8th re adultery – so in this instance the Pope
stuck to his guns and was prepared to lose a country.
Thomas More also lost his head over this .
You seem to think that an all powerful God would allow errors in His Bible. Why would an all powerful God allow
error. God is NOT the author of confusion but the Devil is.
Sandra – you need to watch ” Chuck Missler” which will
demonstrate the accuracy of the Bible in layer after layer.
Charles “Chuck” Missler is an author, conservative Christian Bible teacher, and “FORMER BUSINESSMAN” – says it all doesn’t it?
And what line of business would be most profitable for Mr. Missler I wonder?
For those of you who still don’t get it:
Mr. Missler’s chosen line of business is to terrify and manipulate as many gullible and lost sheeple that he can hope to recruit, so that he then can persuade them into giving up their man-made earnings, which they think will secure them a place in a divine “non-materialistic” heaven – which is all a contradiction in itself, that’s if you can somehow think for yourself.
These dangerous lies and falsities (especially to children at a impressionable age) are continually propagated by greedy con men like Mr. Missler.
I have to admit, good old Chuck has done well for himself despite his lack of integrity and scruples.
Did me some digging, and it seems my suspicions about Mr. Chuck Missler may not be totally unfounded:
http://www.discord.org/~lippard/Missler.html
What would we do without a bit of Skepticism, Critical Thinking and Google, I wonder?
JASON – IS THERE ANYTHING IN YOUR PAST ?????
Wow ! Imagine being a “former” businessman – can you believe it ? I am amazed at the propensity for unbelievers
to dig around looking for dirt. They NEVER answer the questions addressed . Chuck Missler is a an excellent Bible Scholar.
Its like no one is allowed to change – their past is examined minutely – what about the thief on the Cross.
What about Dawkins who has made millions out of his pro evolutionary nonsense bought by people to convince themselves there is no God or Hell and that they
made themselves.
Darwin made his living out of his Godless books and came
from a rich family.
Of course you will say Dawkins is an honest scientist and the millions are just a by product. Why does Dawkins not
give it away to charity then – he keeps it just like a businessman would. I think he has been married several
times – Wow !
No I would not use this against him I prefer to argue the point.
The Pharisees and Sadducees did the same with Jesus –
don’t listen to what he says just dish the dirt on him.
” If you don’t believe I am He then you will die in your sins”
Jesus said back to them.
“Depart from me into the Everlasting Fire you workers of iniquity ….. I never knew you” Jesus.
These words terrify me and I profess to be a Christian.
So Jason if you want to avoid eternal Hell and the Lake
of Fire all you have to do is stop fighting Jesus – Repent and accept the eternal ” Lordship” of Jesus .
“Of course you will say Dawkins is an honest scientist and the millions are just a by product.”
You presume wrong, my friend. I am no advocate for Darwin’s views or books – he is no different to Mr. Missler. And I agree, Dawkins is mostly in it for the money and celebrity status, like most people seem to be these days.
I belong to no group, religious or otherwise, but I do stand for independence of mind, Truth and integrity in life – and if by me questioning dogmatic beliefs to point that I should then be sent to hell, then so be it.
I will, however, learn from Man but will neither worship him nor allow him to enslave my mind – as well as be deceived by his manipulative and false beliefs which gives him the little power he has….and a few dollars for his retirement.
One more thing; How am I fighting Jesus? I have never met the man (if he indeed existed). What little we do know of Jesus, we can mostly garner from quotes supposedly spoken by him – and what I can gather from these said quotes is that he was a very wise man, which is no bad thing to be in life.
The only things I’m an advocate for are the things that come from within me: Truth, Reason, Independence, Integrity, Love, Peace and Wisdom….Aren’t these all the things that Jesus lived by? Yet, I should be one to go to hell for actually living my life, ironically, as all Christians should.
How many guys like Mr. Missler actually live by these principles? But unfortunately, they will always say, “the devil made me do it!” I guess money will do that to a man…yes, corrupt him.
Jason
If you wanted the truth you would examine the facts – not
dish dirt on the messenger. Critical thinking involves examining the facts.
If Jesus was just a wise and good man he would be one of the greatest liars -promising eternal life when there was none ?? As Paul the apostle said “if Christ is not risen from the dead then we are preaching a falsehood – so (if this was the case) let us all eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we will all be dead” ( forever).
Or you can believe Jesus was the Son of God and is risen – sits at the Right Hand of God and can offer you eternal life or eternal damnation.
So there is no need to shoot the messengers but study what they say and like the Bereans compare it with scripture.
Not even a madman would be crucified for something he
knew was a falsehood – would you ????
And his followers were killed by the thousand because they believed – not for a lie – who would die an agonising
death for a lie.
There is more evidence for Jesus’s existence than any other
historical figure. Read Josephus , Seutonious , Pliny , Claudius and a host of other evidence.
No one would ever think that Mohammed did not exist.
A Critical thinker needs logic.
PS – anything in your past – this is what it is all about – “judge not lest ye be judged”. ” Who are you to judge your fellow man when you do the same things ” Paul.
The Bible warns not to let our own pride get in the way of the truth – so don’t trust in philosophy but in the word of God.
No one is righteous before a HOLY GOD OF JUSTICE – so that is why Jesus was sent by his Father.
As for the facts, let me leave this little debate with a couple of quotes (which applies to all of us if we are to be honest) from the most untrustworthy (according to you) philosopher there was:
“I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance.” ~ Socrates
So all we can hope to learn in life is to:
“Know Thyself” ~ Socrates
And I think that’s where we shall leave it, don’t you think?
“Chuck Missler is a an excellent Bible Scholar” ???
yeegads, everytime George Noory has him guest on Coast to Coast, I skip that episode, there’s only so much fantasy-masking-as-fact I can take. He specializes in the supernatural aspect of the bible… angels, demons, nephilims, giants, end times… in short, everything that can never be proven empirically.
Socrates might have got this from the Bible “know thyself”. The Greeks were searching for philosophy and the Jews were trying to keep the Law. But Paul preached
the Cross of Christ – a stumbling block to the Jews and folly
to the Greeks ( Gentiles).
Socrates has no way of resurrecting you when you die.
Jesus says He can because he is the son of God. So you seem to be avoiding this .
Chuck specializes in the supernatural aspects of the Bible ?-
I certainly hope he does since we could say the whole of the Bible is Supernatural. God is Supernatural. The Bible
is not just a history book it is a book on God’s supernatural
power.
So you either believe it or not – did the universe and all it contains create itself or did God make it. There is no inbetween or confusion here.
Chuck is en excellent Bible scholar and you should listen to him if you are a critical thinker.
“Socrates might have got this from the Bible “know thyself”
There you go assuming again.
Actually, the Ancient Greek aphorism “Know thyself”, was inscribed in the pronaos (forecourt) of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi – this is where Socrates was told he was the wisest of them all because of his ignorance.
But whose to say what’s true when it comes to historical fact. The men who write history usually write it with some bias, which ultimately corrupts the facts in the end.
The point is none of us were not around 2000 odd years ago to corroborate for ourselves what we have been told, taught or have read to be true. Hence we are mostly ignorant to these so-called facts, and that is the reason why we should always endeavor to question and investigate anything that seems to defy logic and common sense.
A belief does not equal truth. A belief is just hearsay or an assumption of what we think or want to be true. Through the use of fear by an authority, that we have been conditioned to obey, we will believe anything they tell us just as long as they let us live, or send us to “Hell” for all eternity – self-preservation is the first rule of nature indeed, but it does nothing towards living an honest and truthful life if at the first sign of terror we completely abandon our integrity just to stay alive or to be rewarded. Men who want power, or more-so organized religions know that.
You seem well read, Charles, but I feel one cannot find Truth: through reading books; from another person; through a religious organization. We can only learn from these sources, although superficially in some regards.
Books only tell half the story, my friend, so why don’t you start with yourself, hence Socrates advice for us to attain self-knowledge and rid ourselves of this ignorance that Man uses to control and manipulate our minds for his material gain.
You may then find that the true “God” resides in you, and not the man-made, terrifying, manipulative and capitalistic version that you like to worship so much.
Actually the Bible commands us to “know thyself” so who came first Socrates or the Bible.
The Jewish scriptures were all over the known world and
Solomon’s wisdom was well known in the ancient world.
Many Gentiles worshipped at the Jewish temple.
Some even say the Parthenon is a copy of some parts of the 2nd Temple.
I do not believe in any man made God but the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob who wrote the Bible through the
Prophets. You don’t actually think there is another God out
there who allowed untruth in the Bible to confuse us – Satan is the author of confusion not God.
No one needs to go to Hell – all you have to do is repent
and accept Jesus as your Lord.
It is either true or not – but if you are saying its not true then what is your alternative – who made the universe and everything in it.
“It is either true or not – but if you are saying its not true then what is your alternative – who made the universe and everything in it.”
I don’t know, Charles, and neither do you. Hence the need for an open mind so that one can inquire freely and intelligently – and not to believe implicitly every devious tom, dick and harry who somehow manipulated people into believing that they are an authority on “how it all began”.
Last time I looked, us humans are nothing but mortal creatures who have the propensity to exaggerate events in history to satisfy our personal ambitions – even to the point of outright and blatant lies.
Another thing; Who are you to preach to me in regard what I should or should not believe?
And who are you to speak for somebody else? Why don’t you let Jesus or God speak for themselves?
For one thing, no one is my lord but myself, and you can try all you like to scare me into believing your propagated fantasies written by devious and fallible men – it won’t work!
I am awake, so why would I want to be seduced into a fearful slumber by mere words in a book constantly repeated by you.
Maybe you should try to think for yourself for once – that is one positive function of the brain we were given. However, I will not judge you for that because we are all tainted with ignorance in one way or the other because of certain conditioning since childhood.
You are just a human being, just like me. You are not a God to judge and preach to anyone on how they should live their life or who should be punished – you can only be a God of yourself if you choose to be – it’s your life to lead after all.
It’s about time you get rid of your fears, put the bible down and confront the realities of life. Maybe that will give your darkened and conditioned mind a chance to open up and let in the light of Truth and Reason…but I very much doubt it.
“Be a light unto yourself.” ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti
That’s it, I’m done.
there’s only so much “critical thinking” you can wring out of Chuck’s conspiracy theories, to quote his last guesting:
“His studies have led him to conclude that UFOs are “hyperdimensional” in origin and that the aliens are actually “fallen angels” that have the ability to materialize in deceiving forms. “You and I are being propelled into a time that the Bible says more about than any time in history,” Missler continued. He said that reports of alien abduction and their genetic experimentations were part of a larger plan of deception by evil forces that seek to “contaminate the human race and thwart the plan of God.” It will come down to a “cosmic war” and Missler contends we will all be pawns in it. In the “final battle,” he said the world at large will knowingly take up arms against God, because they will be deceived by the coming world leader.”
I don’t suppose you believe in evil aliens kidnapping people into their little spaceships too? ’cause that’s what Chuck’s trying to sell.
This is also brings out the question – who are you to preach
to me on what I believe. This is what debate is about – yes ???
The Bible ” don’t trust in your own understanding” ” Trust in God and fear Him “.
There are only TWO possibilities either evolution is true or
the Bible is true. All the rest is human ” mumbo jumbo”.
Even Richard Dawkins would agree with me – but to think that an all powerful God would give us a false Bible is incredible.
UFO’s are a delusion which will lead mankind into believing
that the Christians who are raptured have been ” abducted
by aliens”.
The Bible states that the human race will take up arms against God – So why should Chuck not cover this ??????????????????????
You can’t limit the options to either Evolution or the Bible only. What about Buddhism, Islam/Koran? Much as we want all our questions in life answered now ASAP, we can’t get all answers ASAP. We are in the middle, in the middle of a process. At best, we can just eliminate the “not the answer”. So for the question of where we all came from, Bible, Koran, “not the answers”. XXX
Its a popular strawman argument amongst apologists. Evolution is wrong so the Bible must be true.
Insik
Budda did not believe in God – he cannot give you eternal life. He just believed in a kind of “eat drink and be merry life for tomorrow we will be dead ” – paul the apostle said this is the alternative if the Resurrection of Jesus did not happen.
The Koran was written around 700 AD by Mohammed.
Mohammed knew the Bible well. That is why Mohammed talks about Moses , Jesus , Daniel the prophet , Mary the Mother of Jesus etc. Some of the Muslims Sharia law is
based on the Law of Moses .
By the way Daniels grave is still revered in Northern Irag by
Christians , Muslims and lots of others.
The Muslims believe that Mohammed can offer eternal life .
The Muslims are sons of Abraham as are the Jews – they have been blessed with Oil wealth and land fulfilling the promise to Ishmael’s Mother Hagar.
JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY – WE ALL KNOW THIS IN OUR HEARTS .
Christians believe that Jesus is the Son – the only Son of
God – who can bestow eternal life on his followers .
Jesus said he was the ONLY way . He said he was the
Way the Truth and the Life . No other religious leader
has gone through a crucifixion to pay for our sins.
If Jesus was not telling the truth would he willingly be crucified – so painfull that a Roman Citizen was not allowed
to be crucified.
Jesus said that all others were wolves among the sheep –
imposters – false shepherds.
So you have to make the choice – are you going to reject free offer of Salvation ( the avoidance of eternal Hell) from Jesus or from someone else. Who sounds like he knows
the truth Jesus or Budda – it does not go by numbers ?
Jesus said only a FEW will find the way for many are the ways that lead to destruction.
Do you believe in Jesus and his miracles or not.
The question was “Where do we came from?” “Where do all things and people that exist came from?” Even if buddha didn’t believe in god, so what? It doesn’t require a god to answer that question.
Jesus’ miracles can be done by Shamans, witches, albularyos, mentalists, Father Corsie Legaspi, taichi masters, tetada kalimasadans(martial arts). It’s called miracles when it cannot be explained and understood yet, or if only very few people know how to do it and the techniques and strategies havn’t been organized yet.
Jesus was a genius in esoterics, Mozart was a genius in music, and Autistics have excellent memories comparable to wikipedia. So, Jesus, Mozart, and Autistics are all “miracles”.
^Autistic savants only. Not all autistics..
Mark – Chuck’s stuff comes from the Bible. ” We do not wrestle with earthly powers but with spiritual wickedness
in high places” – Paul the Apostle – you can be sure that you are being watched by these heavenly demonic powers – to see if they can destroy your soul. This does not come from Chuck it is a major part of Bible teaching – even by Jesus himself.
Your only hope against those demonic forces is to put on the FULL ARMOUR OF CHRIST.
You lost me Charles. Exactly what demonic forces are we wrestling with here?
*snicker* probably the same demons that are actually aliens that are actually fallen angels…
yesiree… good old chuck’s got it all figured out 🙂
Found this theory of creationism from old Chuck Missler:
I think Chuck has lost all credibility (and his marbles) with this one.
I will never look at peanut butter the same way again.
“So you have to make the choice – are you going to reject free offer of Salvation ( the avoidance of eternal Hell) from Jesus or from someone else.”
Ok sales pitch. It’s like magicwok in EZshop on tv. BuY the magicwok for 4999 and you get free cookbook, different dishes Asian cuisine, European cuisine. Be a chef for 4999.
Magicwok is something people don’t really need, but the sales pitch is so good, you think you’re getting a good deal by buying it.
It’s a modified Pascal’s wager. Classic apologist.